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Forex Funnel Review (and a bit about the Expert Advisor business)
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During the gold rush many people made money, a lot of money, but most of the money was not made by the gold diggers themselves. It was made by the government who sold the licenses to the diggers to allow them to dig and by the stores who sold picks, spades and gold pans. The forex industry is no different. The brokers make money off the spread and then there are the numerous sellers of education services, signal services and last but not least “expert advisors”.

Forex Funnel

This blog entry was going to be a review of “Forex Funnel“, but the more I dug into this product the more I learned about the expert advisor industry. But, before I talk about the industry, I will look at Forex Funnel.


Forex Funnel is a metatrader 4 (MT4) Expert Advisor (EA). If you read their website you will see bold claims. They then present a backtest result over a four year period where you could theoretically have made over $462,000 from $50,000. They achieved this result with a mere 15% maximal drawdown and what is more interesting is they present a back test equity curve which is so smooth it is almost at straight line.

In addition to this they presented a forward test result where they also showed a $12K profit in little over a month and a half in live trading. With a result like that, I was intrigued. So I shelled out $137 for this marvelous money making machine. With a result like that it was worth a deeper look. I know you should better and to never buy systems on back test results and a paltry month and a half of forward testing, but hey even if it was a scam, I have spent more on really bad trading books, so I was bound to learn something. What’s more they have a 60 day money back guarantee, so I could always “try” and get my money back.

Anyway, I signed up and downloaded my new EA. Compared to other commercial EAs , forexfunnel is quite weak. The documentation was pathetic. It was a few pages describing how to install it. There was not discussion of how it works, how you should manage risk, position size, strengths, weaknesses, etc, etc. The EA itself provides very few settings. You can set up the starting lot size and what days you prefer to trade. That is about it. Compared to other commercial EAs where you have much more control, the settings on this are just as appalling as the documentation. In terms of support, they provide you with an email address. There is no online forum discussing the EA and how to use it.

I thought I would test out support, so I emailed them and asked them a couple of questions. One of them was “the documentation seems really scant. Is there any more documentation?” . To which the response was: “We have purposely kept the instructions short as longer ones were tending to confuse epople.” Oh Dear. I new I was in for trouble. Hey at least the nice anonymous person answered my question.

After successfully managing to install ForexFunnel on my system, I set about undertaking a series of back tests to see if I could reproduce their results. The first one was around reproducing their 4 year result.

So far so good. I managed to reproduce their result. Perhaps this system isn’t a complete scam? After looking more closely at the statistics, most of my results were the same, but with two exceptions. The forexfunnel website’s maximal drawdown was 15% and the relative drawdown was 49.33%. My result had a maximal and a relative drawdown closer to 67%.
This peaked my curiosity. I reran a back test on their forward test results and managed to reproduce their results as well. However, when I extended the time frame out to today’s date, forexfunnel wiped out more than 80% of a 50K account in a couple of months:

I went back to the email support and asked them to please explain. The nice anonymous support person at the other end explained that I needed to use 200:1 leverage in order to keep the drawdown to a minimum on the account. I was using a 100:1 leverage on an Alpari demo, so naturally my maximal drawdown was much higher.

I started to wonder why the drawdown was so extreme. Given the pathetic nature of the documentation, I certainly was never going to learn an answer to that question there.

The answer to that question is in the near linear shape of the equity curve. If you sit down and read your way through the log of the trades and look at the same trades on the screen, what you can see is the following:

What the system seems to be doing is bracketing the price action with long and short orders with tight profit targets and wide stops. This ensures a steady flow of income and an almost straight equity curve. However, the problem with such systems is eventually you build up a number of open positions which are free floating because the original order was hit, but neither the profit target nor the stop loss was hit. This is where you incur the drawdown.

In reviewing the order history, there seems to be a martingale money management system in place. For example, you can see that while the original position size is set to 0.4 lots, the number of lots progresses up to 264 lots in a mater of a couple of months. Presumably the system is using the martingale approach to cover up for the risk of a big hit. In reviewing the orders, there is also something weird happening. The system constantly seems to be moving stop losses around. I presume this is also a way of preventing a big hit on the account.

As you should know, martingale systems are a test of who has the deeper pockets: you or the market. You are effectively taking a gamble that things will be fine and you can close out your orders and take your small profit before the market hurts you bad (LTCM style). The problem with the 2 month test is as you can see, the trader is left holding some nasty positions for almost 2 months. The back test was ended and all these positions were called in, creating an 80% loss.

The reason why the nice anonymous support person said to use 200:1 leverage was obviously to ensure the depth of your pockets. The problem with this approach is that most brokers will not allow 200:1 leverage on accounts bigger than 100K as it puts them at a big risk. At more than 250K they will often put you on 25:1 leverage. So while, the 4 year back test is theoretically possible, there is now broker out there that will let you swing such a big line. Also you would have to have balls of steel to trade this system, as you will be carrying some very nasty drawdowns for months if not years.

The Expert Advisor Industry

In preparing the review of forex funnel, I naturally tried to google other sites and find out what others are saying about this system. There was certainly a lot of content out there, but very little of it seemed to be unbiased content. Every review I read was high level and espoused the same selling points that the forexfunnel website espouses. It was at this stage the penny dropped, All of this content is manufactured to help provide links and positive reviews for forexfunnel. This is basically a search engine optimization (SEO) strategy to ensure the website ranks highly in google. What few links there are from independent blogs and sites are via click bank, which pays off the blogger with revenue sharing for every sale.

Next, if you look at the forex funnel web site, you see it is quite professionally constructed, complete with nice graphics, interviews with actors, etc. Lastly, if you look at other product sites, such as Forex Tracer, Silicon Forex, etc, all of these sites follow the same formula: a back test with a near straight equity curve, pretty graphics, interviews with actors, heaps of cross links from other sites.

What I hope you can see is a pattern emerging. These sites are manufactured. Their objective is to sell volume licenses. They might spend 10K on getting this site set up, and if they can sell a thousand licenses for the EA before the word gets out that the system stinks, they have made a 90K profit. What these guys are doing is a valid money making strategy.

The whole manufactured site thing doesn’t really bother me. And to be frank a $137 is a small price to pay. What pisses me off with this whole thing though is there is probably some poor schmuck out there who will put his hard earned money into this system and may get bush whacked with a 60 - 80% loss on their hard earned trading capital.

Moral of the Story

Estee Lauder once said that:

“If a man with experience meets a man with money, pretty soon the man with the experience will have the money and the man with the money will have an expereince”

Well, I have certainly had an experience and now I am $137 down. Spending a $137 on a dud system is part and parcel of the trading learning process, so I am not too disappointed. To my handful of readers out there, please please please don’t risk your hard earned trading capital on any system until you done a decent amount of research on it.

Anyway, I have asked for a refund on forexfunnel. Lets see if the nice anonymous support person will help me get my money back.




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Added: December 30, 2009. 05:18 PM EST
ForexFunnel - RipOFF?
I read your comment with interest, and it is no surprise that EA's are so misunderstood. Firstly I purchased ForexFunnel purely to trade it looking for different trading ideas upon which to base my own EA and I will be the first to say that ForexFunnel is a rather crude adaption of an old system. The system does not swing in both directions, but only goes short and short covers to take profit. The ForexFunnel I have has never had an opening or initial order which is long, it simply does not work like that, it is a directionless model which only goes short. Now that sounds a contradiction, but it is a directionless model as it sells short whether the market is rising or falling. Once the ForexFunnel EA is a attached to a chart it immediately goes short and as the market rises against it, it doubles up its positions. The system takes profit on a retracement, based on the theory that anything that goes up, must at some point come down. The doubling up affect of orders means that as the market retreats you make a big profit on the most recent order and smaller losses on the others which losses cumulatively are less than the profit on the most recent order. These calculations are very delicate as the system makes on average +/- $4 on each trade, being the average profits across all order sizes from .01 to .64 and then wam the stopout when the 1.28 order is initiated, because if you are on a micro account the total number of open orders is 2 full lots. So if you started with an .01 order by the time the .64 order is opened, cumulatively you have 1.27 lots on the market, with the 1.28 being the next double up order takes you over the 2 lot limit. However theoretically the 1.28 order can be executed but not if you are running a micro account. On Alpari the maximum total lots for a micro account is 2 full lots, so if the market has risen against its opening position to such an extent, then a .64 order is as far as you go. Heaven forbid that you trade a .1 order on a classic account as you are guaranteed to loose your Shirt, socks and underpants on certain occasions, as you cannot trade less than .1 of a lot on a live classic account. So the next question is does the EA make money, and the answer is YES it does. The next question is does the EA have any money management or risk limitation properties to control losses and the answer is NO IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT. I also think it would be naive to expect software costing $137 to have any such functionality !! I am also of the opinion that the developers are also somewhat naive traders, as they only suggest the USDJPY to be traded. The volatility of this pair is like running directly into a head wind as at some stage you will run out of energy and collapse in a heap and what next but a major StopOut. So the market traded is simply too volatile, there are less volatile and more suitable markets to trade such a strategy. I'll not go into detail here, that explanation is a whole article on its own, but suffice to say there are other more suitable markets to trade such a strategy.


So far we have a crudely constructed strategy trading the wrong market with no money management or risk control features what so ever, consequently at some stage a StopOut is bound to happen. The next question is do I continue to trade the EA on a live account and the answer is YES but not on the USDJPY, try the CHFJPY. Yes the bid/offer spread is much wider but hey its a substantially less volatile market and arbitrage trades ensures decent retracements. So what do you do about money management, don't leave more than $400 in a micro account and skim off all other profits. Will ForexFunnel be profitable in the longer term ? Honestly,I am still not sure, but my hunch says probably NOT, as the system is too crude. However I have developed my own EA based on the same system which doubles up orders, but with an honest attempt to limit risk and thus StopOuts as it is possible when one fully understands how the system operates. To understand a strategy, one has to model it in Excel and play with all the variable parameters, which I have done extensively and only then will you understand the risk involved and come up with a reliable EA. All trading involves risk, but this needs to be blanced against return based on the probability of success and these calculations are highly complex. Watch this space I'll be back !!!
Anonymous-411
Added: October 04, 2009. 11:49 PM EST
Finally; an "honest" forex review
Many thanks for giving a fair and honest assessment of Forex Funnel.Lately,even the so called "reviews" are scams.Please consider me a regular reader of ForexHound!
dkchan01
Added: September 30, 2009. 04:10 PM EST
Thanks !
Great Review. Thank you very much. I'm a Forex beginner looking for some good help, and you have helpped me not to waste my very hard earned money. Thank you very much !!!
Anonymous
Added: June 17, 2009. 01:42 PM EST
Forex Funnel a Piece of S**T!
I found a way to get almost all of these EA's for FREE and just like you said this one of the worst. People like the man said be careful and do your research before buying any of these expert advisors. Over 9o percent are CRAP!
PS: Finally a TRUTHFUL review!
Coldcream1
Added: May 01, 2009. 10:41 AM EST
Refun are so EASY !
hi,



i got this EA too 3 days ago, and your articl helped me to decid to refund too.







you dont need to ask there support to get your money back, its more easy than this. when your buy anything with ClickBank they send you an email, with your order number and a link for your order, click this link and you will find there is you can ask CB to refund ;)
BlackCode
Added: April 09, 2009. 08:40 PM EST
Luck
Thank you for the review.
I did some back testing and also realtime demotesting, here are the results:
Important that you have at least 25k deposit when dealing with 0.1 lot size. Than the system produces several times a day (around 10 times) a profit of about 35$ each. So far so good. Your account moves up from 25k to 100k for example from 01.nov.08 to 9.apr.2009, about 160 days incl. WE. If the System is wrong it just doubles the amount. if it's wrong again, it doubles again. The lot size doubles from 0.1 to 6.4 or even 12.8, if the trend continues, your account will be executed and you loose almost everything. That happens several times a year. I have not seen bad positions for a long time, maybe a couple of days. But still, if you start today and this "Crash Situation" appears tomorrow, you lose about 22K of your 25 in one day. If the "Crash" happens in 2 month, your account has probably moved up to 50+, you can aford to double again and will be the lucky winner. (Hopefully) regards
Anonymous
Added: March 26, 2009. 08:25 PM EST
Thank you very much for your great review. I also tried to backtest the system and all results were negative. If you know any system that somehow may work,please give me a hint. By the way, I've tried ForexAutoPilot and looks that it is same BS. Best regards, Andrew.(aolexiuk@gmail.com)
Anonymous
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